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Revan Neferis Amarr Bloodveil The Sani Sabik	Posted - 2007.04.04 13:51:00 - [1] Lady Revan Neferis Thrice Illustrious Sovereign of Bloodveil Proud Member of The Unholy Trinity In bed with the most beautiful gallentean of the "Troika of Terror" Thanks for this post added the "touch" to my Titles I love it. "Power destroys the ones who dont have it"
Revan Neferis Amarr Bloodveil The Sani Sabik	Posted - 2007.04.05 13:15:00 - [2] Originally by: Gaius Kador Ideological incompability peon. Let's talk a bit about ideological Incompatibility getting PIE for example, as I'm sure you can teach us a good lesson about it: Example 1, from PIE records: About Intaki Union: Originally by: Gaven Lok'ri -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Gaven claps slowly, visibly amused Thats the spirit. Warmongering Terrorism is a disease that should be wiped out of the galaxy like the rest of the Deciever's works. Gaven smiles I do hope God smiles on your 'crusade', Mr. Ricard, and that you kill those heretics you have placed into your sights. -------------------------------------------------------------------- Conclusion of first part: PIE declares Intaki Union Terrorists and Herectics. When confronted at Verisum wars by overwelminf forces, at some point the so " stable" ideologies somehow... changed. PIE and IU became allied against common enemies When confronted about his " Ideological incompatibility" here was the Master answer: Originally by: Rodj Blake Edited by: Rodj Blake on 04/07/2006 13:08:05 Just because we declared war on you, it doesn't automatically follow that we give unconditional support to other people who declared war on you. I really don't need to show how your mouth does you more favor in this matter. Move along kid, you better concentrate on making a plan to overcome your weakness at space instead of your childish attemps to bring dissension between two Organizations that have solid political and "extra-political" benefits on co-operating. "Power destroys the ones who dont have it"
Revan Neferis Amarr Bloodveil The Sani Sabik	Posted - 2007.04.05 13:37:00 - [3] Just do us all a favour, move along. Win your war at space. this is tiresome to us and the public as well. "Power destroys the ones who dont have it"
Revan Neferis Amarr Bloodveil The Sani Sabik	Posted - 2007.04.05 21:58:00 - [4] Originally by: Ituralde Edited by: Ituralde on 05/04/2007 21:48:45 Its rather clear, Mr. (Or perhaps I should include some tinpot rank?) Blake, you have little in common with either us or Bloodveil and I sincerely doubt you understand much about either of our organizations save on a very simple level. Given that you have repeatedly demonstrated that you either cannot read or cannot retain anything we attempt to communicate, the fact that you know little is hardly surprising. So lets face facts here. Down with the rhetorical smoke and mirrors. You have no ideological stake here. Its altogether clear you are trying to put a wedge between us and our allies. I would argue its because your military forces are impotent and have little to no opportunity to offer effective resistance to us in space and thus feel the need to strike what weak blows you can, but I understand. You would of course deny that, as well. If we feel we have ideological issues with Bloodveil, there is not a pilot among us who would be afraid to debate them. We don't need nor want your input nor prompting so just for the sake of cutting of this idiocy where it stands, keep your forked tongue behind your teeth. You aren't convincing anyone. Next time you try sowing discord, snake, have something substantial to back it up with. Well said Free Captain. Very well said. "Power destroys the ones who dont have it"
Revan Neferis Amarr Bloodveil The Sani Sabik	Posted - 2007.07.21 07:54:00 - [5] Originally by: Casserina Leshrac Let's get back on topic shall we Rodj? You have stated that the Bloodveil is jealous of the Amarr Empire. However, throughout history, it was the Empire trying to exterminate the Sani Sabik. I submit to you it is the Empire and its sheep that is jealous of the Sani Sabik. After all the Empire, for it's centuries of existence has tried to exterminate on Athra (and failed) and then try to destroy us among the stars (another failure). I should point out as well you speak of an Empire. But where's the Emperor. Where's the leadership? Scattered into the winds. Now various offices are attempting to act in the Empire's name. Without your precious Emperor as the foundation, the Empire has started to decay from within. It will be only a matter of time before the The Mandate and the Kingdom start setting eyes on Amarr itself. The Star Fraction displayed the ease of the attack. And the Loyalist bloc showed its cowardice. I would think on the day when the Empire Falls (not "if") there will be quite a few entities feeding from that corpse. Well spoken Illuminatti. I'm surprised that the true blood loyal to Khanid II didn't realise this yet. Amarr never been so weak. It's the perfect time for a take over. "One must still have chaos in oneself to give birth to a dancing Star"
Revan Neferis Amarr Bloodveil The Sani Sabik	Posted - 2007.07.21 08:40:00 - [6] You talk of Bloodveil as an Empire itself, which, in many ways it holds truth. But saying that Bloodveil is jealous because we don't hold Sovereignity of geographic spaces or stations with agents and such in comparison to Amarr is quite too much of a way out, even for you Rodj. Blood veil has achieved each and every single objective I set for it, since it's creation. From the bossom of Dark Seraph as an exclusive cult of our holy personalities, bloodveil came forth declaring a little of our faith and making an impact in the cluster. This, all by our own hands with no need of Dead emperors, Gods or misguided lies. We are invincible because we exist firmly and stronger with no dependence of other people's faith. Now let's turn the coin. What is PIE without Amarr Empire? What is your faith other then a faith given to you by the Amarr Authorities. What is your supposed strengh, other than a non existant entity you call God. What have you created, what have you accomplished by yourself other than feeding on the rest that Amarr let fall from its table. The Sani Sabik has order and leadership under my Sovereignity. Amarr has chaos and weakness under a dead Emperor. The Sani Sabik movements and owns fortunes by the machines of politics and wars. You depend of your whoring tactics with Amarrian agents to have the bread of each day on your table. Let me remind you of the failure of The cult of Cathequization and it's leader, the official inquisition of Amarr Empire that came here and sworn to eliminate Bloodveil and specialy myself. The final result being several of their corpses on my hangar and the extermination of their own institution. Even the Amarr Empire itself could not stop the mighty of Bloodveil. What makes you fear Rodj is the inevitable and sole truth: To fight a ideology you need to present something better. Amarr is a dying Empire. You're a dying breed. The Sani Sabik fills the void with a new World Order. We shall wash the floor when your dust is all that is left covering the golden streets of the capital. "One must still have chaos in oneself to give birth to a dancing Star"
Revan Neferis Amarr Bloodveil The Sani Sabik	Posted - 2007.07.21 09:10:00 - [7] Originally by: Rodj Blake Lots of rhetoric there Revan, but let's look at Bloodveil's recent history: Bloodveil failed to make any impact on the inhabitants of the Fensi system, despite their claims. Bloodveil failed to achieve any more than the lowest of pirates in the Kheram system, despite their claims. Bloodveil has still to get anywhere near the empty system of Atioth, despite their call to arms. Lies and empty rethoric out of your ignorance Fensi planet still prosperes under Blodveil religion majority and tributes are paid to me weekly of several institutions. Actually, the system only properes still because I'm kind enough to continue business there. Fensi without Bloodveil money would fall into poverty. Several systems of Amarr already knows they can't count on loyalists to maintain their economical stability, as your greedy selfish kind never invests to see your people propere. Fensi is jus one example of the Glory of the Sani Sabik. Bloodveil eliminated over two thousand vessels in a month presence at the region, making our objective complete with disruptions of paramilitary logistics including the destruction of some dizzy loyalists pilots who happened to cross our ways. Bloodveil presence at Kheran was absolute and when the amarrian wars became no longer an issue by complete dominance and victory of Star Fraction, Bloodveil also moved to it's next steps. The only failure here was your defeat and lack of ability to stop the mayhem Bloodveil was able to cause. Atioth is An Amarr obligation, Bloodveil is just leading the expedition. Bloodveil already allocated several capital vessels to system and the operations proceeds unstopable. The only failure is again, the lack of Amarr loyalist presence. The words "Loyalists" and "failure" are synonyms. "One must still have chaos in oneself to give birth to a dancing Star"
Revan Neferis Amarr Bloodveil The Sani Sabik	Posted - 2007.07.21 19:38:00 - [8] Originally by: Gaius Kador Originally by: Revan Neferis The words "Loyalists" and "failure" are synonyms. Have a look at Providence, little girl. Your worth is easily measured in dust, while the Empire stands strong. However, the post count attributed to your stupidity is impressive. Good heaven's when I think you have exposed all your stupidity it comes more! Providence is not even AMARR EMPIRE SOVEREIGNITY you ignorant animal. "One must still have chaos in oneself to give birth to a dancing Star"
Revan Neferis Amarr Bloodveil The Sani Sabik	Posted - 2007.07.21 21:44:00 - [9] Edited by: Revan Neferis on 21/07/2007 21:44:23 Originally by: Garreck Clever deflection, but let's remember: Providence is a measurable success of loyalists. A success beyond which Bloodveil has experienced on any level: military, economic, or idealogically. To the contrary. Providence is the reflex of your failure. Talk about reclaiming when I see Amarr Sovereignity at Providence. So far, you have proven nothing other then hanging around one of porest 0.0 regions of deep space. Bloodveil has no interest on territorial conquests, therefore your assumption is also out of any reason. "One must still have chaos in oneself to give birth to a dancing Star"
Revan Neferis Amarr Bloodveil The Sani Sabik	Posted - 2007.07.21 22:13:00 - [10] Originally by: Garreck Originally by: Revan Neferis To the contrary. Providence is the reflex of your failure. Talk about reclaiming when I see Amarr Sovereignity at Providence. So far, you have proven nothing other then hanging around one of porest 0.0 regions of deep space. Bloodveil has no interest on territorial conquests, therefore your assumption is also out of any reason. Another deflection. You spoke of failures and loyalists. I give you Providence. Explain, in measurable terms, how Providence is a failure of any kind. I'll even do you a favor and leave comparisons with Bloodveil efforts out of the picture. Originally by: Revan Neferis Talk about reclaiming when I see Amarr Sovereignity at Providence. "One must still have chaos in oneself to give birth to a dancing Star"

Revan Neferis Amarr Bloodveil The Sani Sabik	Posted - 2007.07.21 23:15:00 - [11] Originally by: Garreck Originally by: Revan Neferis Talk about reclaiming when I see Amarr Sovereignity at Providence. You're slow today. I never mentioned reclaiming. I said success, and I said Loyalists, and I said Providence. You've done nothing to disassociate the three. None of the three represents anything to the discussion. You have no sucess, you are not loyalists, otherwise Providence would be at Amarr Sovereignity already, and your dealings in Providence interests me as little as any other 0.0 lost small alliance with low profitability. "One must still have chaos in oneself to give birth to a dancing Star"
Revan Neferis Amarr Bloodveil The Sani Sabik	Posted - 2007.07.21 23:47:00 - [12] Originally by: Garreck Edited by: Garreck on 21/07/2007 23:22:49 Originally by: Revan Neferis None of the three represents anything to the discussion. You made them so when you said that Loyalists were synonimous with failure. Originally by: Revan Neferis You have no sucess, you are not loyalists, otherwise Providence would be at Amarr Sovereignity already, and your dealings in Providence interests me as little as any other 0.0 lost small alliance with low profitability. Our success is to provide a haven for all loyalists as well as merchants in lawless space. Our success is to have pushed out a hated enemy of the empire and all who do not embrace the policy of "not red, don't shoot." Our success is to bring several alliances and small organizations together who buy into the policy of "not red, don't shoot" and who cooperate together for mutual defense and profit. Our success is to turn a low profitability area into a high profitability area (come check out the ever expanding market some time.) If the Empire deigns to take Providence off of our hands, the success will be completed...but we have been successful to a great degree in all tangible, measurable areas. If this were not so, you would not be recycling an argument that has no bearing on our current success what-so-ever. You did nothing other then chase an inferior race of monkeys. No service for the Empire, no expansion for its boarders. And I already said I don't consider your kind as loyalist. You are loyal to your own cause. "One must still have chaos in oneself to give birth to a dancing Star"
Revan Neferis Amarr Bloodveil The Sani Sabik	Posted - 2007.07.21 23:55:00 - [13] Originally by: Garreck Originally by: Revan Neferis And I already said I don't consider your kind as loyalist. You are loyal to your own cause. Fair enough. Welcome to the ranks of those ignorant enough to consider your organization to be "Blood Raiders." No, I'm not welcome at CVA ranks. "One must still have chaos in oneself to give birth to a dancing Star"
Revan Neferis Amarr Bloodveil The Sani Sabik	Posted - 2007.07.22 00:01:00 - [14] Originally by: Garreck Originally by: Revan Neferis No, I'm not welcome at CVA ranks. Zing! The point stands. Failure to consider CVA loyalists is as ignorant from our perspective as comparisons between Bloodveil and Blood Raiders is to yours. And that ignorance a) is not my problem and b) not at all related to the success of loyalists in Providence. It is appropriate that the only response you have to the CVA's efforts in Providence is to discount the CVA as loyalists altogether... Ask me again when you give Providence to Amarr Empire. "One must still have chaos in oneself to give birth to a dancing Star"
Revan Neferis Amarr Bloodveil The Sani Sabik	Posted - 2007.07.22 08:52:00 - [15] Last time I glanced my eyes upon CVA, over 20 billion in damage was done, 2 alliances broken ( CVA Allied)and I left with a 7 Billion profit to Verisum and all Coalition. The only reason why I retreated the wars was the betrayal of Grand Master Horm who implored me to stop the wars for the sake of saving Amarr loyalists of a shameful defeat. To finish this discussion, once for all let me say that the wars against CVA ARE PAST. This because I lost all respect for their pilots. They have no cause, no heart and fighting them is no different then fight any other 0.0 alliance with all insults and smack of commoners. Once for all, I have no interest on investing at Providence with its gruesome pilots and poor economical flux. Cry as much as you want Garreck. You are alone, isolated with your greed and boredom, defending a region that contains monkeys and the poorest ores and economical business in all of eve and beating your chest about it. Amarr Empire doesn't even ackowledge your existance. Providence IS a hot potato you have to hold it now and see it burning in your hands because no one gives a damn about it. Or come here and scream to the monkeys, they are more willing to play your kind. "One must still have chaos in oneself to give birth to a dancing Star"
Revan Neferis Amarr Bloodveil The Sani Sabik	Posted - 2007.07.22 14:30:00 - [16] We heard it all before, even at the wars against Star Fraction.... Rush Garreck, there is a UK monkey eating bananas at one of your asteroid belts! "One must still have chaos in oneself to give birth to a dancing Star"
Revan Neferis Amarr Bloodveil The Sani Sabik	Posted - 2007.07.22 16:17:00 - [17] Originally by: Octavinus Augustus rabble rabble Try again. "One must still have chaos in oneself to give birth to a dancing Star"
Revan Neferis Amarr Bloodveil The Sani Sabik	Posted - 2007.07.22 17:58:00 - [18] Originally by: Garreck Originally by: Revan Neferis Try again. Is he wrong? If so, how? Can you address his points, or is the standard sub-standard "brush-off" all you are left with? Because he is wrong and at the moment I have 52 guests at my party to take care of. If you want to address the same subject over and over again under your twisted views, I recommend you to simply make a search of last 1 year posts and spend 3 hours reading it. It'll spare us time and save the readers of repetitive rethorics from both sides. "One must still have chaos in oneself to give birth to a dancing Star"
Revan Neferis Amarr Bloodveil The Sani Sabik	Posted - 2007.07.29 12:47:00 - [19] You must have a lot of "stamina" for keep trying your way with this thread after several months. As you insist on bringing the Sani Sabik into discussions without having the slightest idea of our ideology and neither the mind to comprehend our books, I find it very unlikely that any words spoken will help to illuminate your sub-developed mind. But consider that I'm in a good mood and will indulge you some play. To start discussing contrasts of ideologies between Sani Sabik and SF you need to understand clearly the concepts of Genetics and Memes. Oh, hurting your cells already... my apologies as I know that you are unable to proceed right here but I'll go on in hope that some other intelligent being will be able to produce an interesting counter rhetoric to amuse me. To your question: The relationship between genetic and memetic codes is what brings our alliances to a solid relationship. One can construct rather detailed model for cognitive consciousness in terms of the memetic code. Memes and genes correspond to two levels in the hierarchy of conscious intelligence and genetic programs could be perhaps seen as subprograms called by the higher level memetic programs. One could even see higher level life as symbiosis of memes and genes. Now, if this isn't clear considering that Sani Sabik endorses and has one of the main tenets related to Eugenic programs, I believe your only alternative is to go back to low level rhetoric. Or to keep believing that the "hate" for "Amarr Empire" is what drives us... I pitty your self delusion. "One must still have chaos in oneself to give birth to a dancing Star"

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